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		<title>By: Baby Mommas in the Library &#171; Closed Stacks</title>
		<link>http://www.walkingpaper.org/592/comment-page-1#comment-23859</link>
		<dc:creator>Baby Mommas in the Library &#171; Closed Stacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] they don&#8217;t actually mention fussing or crying&#8211;but there was an interesting post on  Walking Paper a while back, which was then picked up by Librarian in Black (basically it compares babies and cell [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] they don&#8217;t actually mention fussing or crying&#8211;but there was an interesting post on  Walking Paper a while back, which was then picked up by Librarian in Black (basically it compares babies and cell [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pamsmom</title>
		<link>http://www.walkingpaper.org/592/comment-page-1#comment-23235</link>
		<dc:creator>Pamsmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have small libraries where I live, and we have never experienced the baby problem. Now cell phones and older children talking loudly and playing video games is a different story.

There should be a fine for those who use their cell phones!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have small libraries where I live, and we have never experienced the baby problem. Now cell phones and older children talking loudly and playing video games is a different story.</p>
<p>There should be a fine for those who use their cell phones!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.walkingpaper.org/592/comment-page-1#comment-23207</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 21:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no reason to ban babies from libraries ... just put &#039;em in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.laughinglibrarian.com/2006_06_01_archive.html#114917503810109090&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kiddie Kages&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no reason to ban babies from libraries &#8230; just put &#8216;em in <a href="http://www.laughinglibrarian.com/2006_06_01_archive.html#114917503810109090" rel="nofollow">Kiddie Kages</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Library &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Comment on no babies in the library!! by mona</title>
		<link>http://www.walkingpaper.org/592/comment-page-1#comment-23203</link>
		<dc:creator>Library &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Comment on no babies in the library!! by mona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 05:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Comings Communiqu&#195;&#169; wrote an interesting post today on Comment on no babies in the library!! by monaHere&#8217;s a quick excerpt&#8230;there aren’t any no cellphone or no food signs in our library. i haven’t been working here very long but i’m assuming that the librarians&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Comings Communiqu&Atilde;&copy; wrote an interesting post today on Comment on no babies in the library!! by monaHere&#8217;s a quick excerpt&#8230;there aren’t any no cellphone or no food signs in our library. i haven’t been working here very long but i’m assuming that the librarians&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mona</title>
		<link>http://www.walkingpaper.org/592/comment-page-1#comment-23202</link>
		<dc:creator>mona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 03:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there aren&#039;t any no cellphone or no food signs in our library. i haven&#039;t been working here very long but i&#039;m assuming that the librarians before realized that it&#039;s not really a realistic request. i like to think that we respect people enough to use their common sense about what is and is not acceptable library behavior. the one noise sign we do have is a reminder that headsets are available for checkout at the circulation desk; a hint that audio from the computers are a no-no. but i do have to verbally remind patrons of this as well.

as someone noted above, it is difficult to be put in the position of behavior police.  i use my judgement on what most people would consider acceptable.

as for the no babies sign... if it was up to ME, it would be the first one to put up. before the no cellphones, before the no teenagers, before the turn off your ringers.  but thank goodness that it is not up to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there aren&#8217;t any no cellphone or no food signs in our library. i haven&#8217;t been working here very long but i&#8217;m assuming that the librarians before realized that it&#8217;s not really a realistic request. i like to think that we respect people enough to use their common sense about what is and is not acceptable library behavior. the one noise sign we do have is a reminder that headsets are available for checkout at the circulation desk; a hint that audio from the computers are a no-no. but i do have to verbally remind patrons of this as well.</p>
<p>as someone noted above, it is difficult to be put in the position of behavior police.  i use my judgement on what most people would consider acceptable.</p>
<p>as for the no babies sign&#8230; if it was up to ME, it would be the first one to put up. before the no cellphones, before the no teenagers, before the turn off your ringers.  but thank goodness that it is not up to me.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.walkingpaper.org/592/comment-page-1#comment-23187</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 03:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lane
great experiment and good job spreading the word!  i&#039;m sure you saw some pretty funny looks on people&#039;s faces :]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lane<br />
great experiment and good job spreading the word!  i&#8217;m sure you saw some pretty funny looks on people&#8217;s faces :]</p>
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		<title>By: Lane @ iSchool</title>
		<link>http://www.walkingpaper.org/592/comment-page-1#comment-23186</link>
		<dc:creator>Lane @ iSchool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 23:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last week, I printed out a copy of the fake &quot;No Babies&quot; sign and put it in my office to see how the many librarians and library professors I work with would react.  I got a lot of &quot;Whaat?&quot; &quot;Hunh?&quot; and &quot;Um?&quot; in response.  Which I then followed with an explanation that it was a parody of the Cell Phone signs.  Most everyone seems to be getting it (that it&#039;s the tone of the signs, plus apparent ignorance of the fact that you can use cell phones for more than talking).  I just had one person today though who refused to see the parallel.  Luckily, he&#039;s not currently working in a public.  

Thanks for handing me this fun experiment! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week, I printed out a copy of the fake &#8220;No Babies&#8221; sign and put it in my office to see how the many librarians and library professors I work with would react.  I got a lot of &#8220;Whaat?&#8221; &#8220;Hunh?&#8221; and &#8220;Um?&#8221; in response.  Which I then followed with an explanation that it was a parody of the Cell Phone signs.  Most everyone seems to be getting it (that it&#8217;s the tone of the signs, plus apparent ignorance of the fact that you can use cell phones for more than talking).  I just had one person today though who refused to see the parallel.  Luckily, he&#8217;s not currently working in a public.  </p>
<p>Thanks for handing me this fun experiment! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Library &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Comment on no babies in the library!! by Claudia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Library &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Comment on no babies in the library!! by Claudia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 21:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] eriepressible&#226;?&#162; wrote an interesting post today on Comment on no babies in the library!! by ClaudiaHere&#8217;s a quick excerptI do not work in a library, but have dealt with public most of my life and find them as a whole just thoughtless-not rude. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] eriepressible&acirc;?&cent; wrote an interesting post today on Comment on no babies in the library!! by ClaudiaHere&#8217;s a quick excerptI do not work in a library, but have dealt with public most of my life and find them as a whole just thoughtless-not rude. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Claudia</title>
		<link>http://www.walkingpaper.org/592/comment-page-1#comment-23176</link>
		<dc:creator>Claudia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 19:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that a quiet reminder that others use the site also should be sufficient--children in my age were &quot;seen but not heard&quot;, and most of the time were frightened of adults.  Cell phones are a modern meance, that we all fall prey to (even me) but there are places and times for it to ring loudly and with fervor (the library, hospital &amp; school are not proper places)-however telling some one to muffle a child or a cell phone is tantamount to declaring wwIII, so just the quiet reminder which usually works should be sufficient.

I do not work in a library, but have dealt with public most of my life and find them as a whole just thoughtless-not rude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that a quiet reminder that others use the site also should be sufficient&#8211;children in my age were &#8220;seen but not heard&#8221;, and most of the time were frightened of adults.  Cell phones are a modern meance, that we all fall prey to (even me) but there are places and times for it to ring loudly and with fervor (the library, hospital &amp; school are not proper places)-however telling some one to muffle a child or a cell phone is tantamount to declaring wwIII, so just the quiet reminder which usually works should be sufficient.</p>
<p>I do not work in a library, but have dealt with public most of my life and find them as a whole just thoughtless-not rude.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.walkingpaper.org/592/comment-page-1#comment-23133</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 17:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find that patrons do expect a quiet environment for the most part. Maybe this is age related? What I&#039;m wondering is why a sign giving directions is considered &quot;mean&quot;. There are prohibitive signs everywhere including traffic signs and signs in other businesses. We all have to sacrifice for the greater good. Grow-up people and save the &quot;mean&quot; label for the truly mean actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that patrons do expect a quiet environment for the most part. Maybe this is age related? What I&#8217;m wondering is why a sign giving directions is considered &#8220;mean&#8221;. There are prohibitive signs everywhere including traffic signs and signs in other businesses. We all have to sacrifice for the greater good. Grow-up people and save the &#8220;mean&#8221; label for the truly mean actions.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.walkingpaper.org/592/comment-page-1#comment-23125</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 02:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@tony

you&#039;re so right.  this is still a big issue and might continue to be as people become ever more reliant on their mobile devices.  you&#039;re also right about policy.  policies are most often blanket statements and blanket can smother!  less hard, immutable rules, more human interaction sounds great to me.</description>
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<p>you&#8217;re so right.  this is still a big issue and might continue to be as people become ever more reliant on their mobile devices.  you&#8217;re also right about policy.  policies are most often blanket statements and blanket can smother!  less hard, immutable rules, more human interaction sounds great to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Tallent</title>
		<link>http://www.walkingpaper.org/592/comment-page-1#comment-23124</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Tallent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 02:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you believe that we are still talking (debating) about the cell phone thing in libraries. It is something that is still hotly bantered in my own organization and reading your post makes me see that this is something that will go on for a while. Truly, what we are talking about here is human behavior. Policy happens to get mixed in with this because we are PUBLIC libraries. Don&#039;t people (the public) really self-manage themselves to the most degree? Just dreaming here, but: what if we let this be the policy: if you don&#039;t like it, say something about it directly. Policy can be persnickity, no?
Tony Tallent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you believe that we are still talking (debating) about the cell phone thing in libraries. It is something that is still hotly bantered in my own organization and reading your post makes me see that this is something that will go on for a while. Truly, what we are talking about here is human behavior. Policy happens to get mixed in with this because we are PUBLIC libraries. Don&#8217;t people (the public) really self-manage themselves to the most degree? Just dreaming here, but: what if we let this be the policy: if you don&#8217;t like it, say something about it directly. Policy can be persnickity, no?<br />
Tony Tallent</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://www.walkingpaper.org/592/comment-page-1#comment-23123</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 21:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot stand listening to people talk on cell phones.  I believe that it is badd manners and generally inconsiderate to talk on a cell phone in a library, or even a bookstore for that matter.  If people are talking on phones in a library or a bookstore and staff does nothing, I will leave.  I don&#039;t go to those places to listen to people talk on phones.  What happened to the days when people spoke on the phone in their own homes?

I agree that we should be kind to patrons when we ask that they take their phone conversations out of the library.  Patrons can use their phones to check messages or use texting, but if they want to talk it is polite to take it outside or to the lobby.  If we don&#039;t enforce this rule, then patrons who come in to read and enjoy the peaceful environment of the library that they remember from their youth will be sorely disappointed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot stand listening to people talk on cell phones.  I believe that it is badd manners and generally inconsiderate to talk on a cell phone in a library, or even a bookstore for that matter.  If people are talking on phones in a library or a bookstore and staff does nothing, I will leave.  I don&#8217;t go to those places to listen to people talk on phones.  What happened to the days when people spoke on the phone in their own homes?</p>
<p>I agree that we should be kind to patrons when we ask that they take their phone conversations out of the library.  Patrons can use their phones to check messages or use texting, but if they want to talk it is polite to take it outside or to the lobby.  If we don&#8217;t enforce this rule, then patrons who come in to read and enjoy the peaceful environment of the library that they remember from their youth will be sorely disappointed.</p>
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		<title>By: Going Crunchy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Going Crunchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 19:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think much of the problem is the mix of expectations about what sort of space a Library should be.   Unfortunately I think that signage is  result of behavior that does not benefit the common good.   I just try to stick with the middle road of what is the best for the most.   

I do support a ban on the use of cell phones in the library unless there is a designated place- - -your other comments reflect many of the reasons why.   I&#039;ve never had to deal with it because folks lose reception on their way down to my underground youth services cave.   Saves me much angst.   

My problem with kid noise isn&#039;t when kids are being kids- - it&#039;s when adults aren&#039;t teaching or interacting with their child and the behavior escalates.  It&#039;s the adults behaving badly, not the kid.    As the mother of two small torando boys I understand the line.   By the same token I think many adults just don&#039;t see the Library as the &quot;kids library&quot; too and view it with the expectations of how an adult must use the Library.   

I&#039;ve had to put up yucky signage now that denotes a big box of snacks with a no over it.   After finding pudding packages in the stacks, banana peels mushed into the carpet and snack messes o&#039;plenty I finally caved and put up a sign.   It is mess, and allergy safety issues as people seems to leave their buffet behind with them.   

Again- - -it&#039;s the adults behaving badly and not the kids.   As a parent I have to plan around the physical needs of my child too.   I think the solution is that it should be mandatory that every library have some sort of designated snack area.   I&#039;ve seriously bucked for having a cafe style place- - -we need it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think much of the problem is the mix of expectations about what sort of space a Library should be.   Unfortunately I think that signage is  result of behavior that does not benefit the common good.   I just try to stick with the middle road of what is the best for the most.   </p>
<p>I do support a ban on the use of cell phones in the library unless there is a designated place- &#8211; -your other comments reflect many of the reasons why.   I&#8217;ve never had to deal with it because folks lose reception on their way down to my underground youth services cave.   Saves me much angst.   </p>
<p>My problem with kid noise isn&#8217;t when kids are being kids- &#8211; it&#8217;s when adults aren&#8217;t teaching or interacting with their child and the behavior escalates.  It&#8217;s the adults behaving badly, not the kid.    As the mother of two small torando boys I understand the line.   By the same token I think many adults just don&#8217;t see the Library as the &#8220;kids library&#8221; too and view it with the expectations of how an adult must use the Library.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had to put up yucky signage now that denotes a big box of snacks with a no over it.   After finding pudding packages in the stacks, banana peels mushed into the carpet and snack messes o&#8217;plenty I finally caved and put up a sign.   It is mess, and allergy safety issues as people seems to leave their buffet behind with them.   </p>
<p>Again- &#8211; -it&#8217;s the adults behaving badly and not the kids.   As a parent I have to plan around the physical needs of my child too.   I think the solution is that it should be mandatory that every library have some sort of designated snack area.   I&#8217;ve seriously bucked for having a cafe style place- &#8211; -we need it.</p>
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		<title>By: Marianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 14:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;our signage&quot;. sry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;our signage&#8221;. sry.</p>
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